Did I get this right?
I received this email today regarding yesterday's post on Problem Kitchens.
I figured I might as well bring it over to the blog to answer.
That way more than just Mads will benefit.
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007
From: Mads
Subject: Did I get this right?
Hello. I was impressed by your website/blog. I designed and built my kitchen myself. I kinda just felt things out and prayed I'd measured things right (it came down to the millimeter as I was not aware of how much space tiles and the respective glue could take up!) But everyone seems to love it. Since you are an actual kitchen expert, it would be nice if you could give me your impressions. Thanks in advance for your time!
Mads
PS If it ends up on your list of Kitschy Kitchens, its feedback all the same... 
This kitchen looks European Mads. In the US we would have a bit less space between the countertop and the upper cabinets. Either that or you are an architect:>o
They seem to like that effect.
In this image we have the left leg of a U-shaped kitchen:
You have cut the depth of the base cabinets to allow room enough for the dishwasher, sink and range at the top of the U. That makes your best countertop a bit shallower, but still usable.
The countertop looks like teak, very nice to work on and well away from water and the range. That's a plus. Also inexpensive compared to other choices...Or is it concrete???
Your choice of simple white cabinet doors is good in a small space. You seem to have chosen all doors for simplicity. Another architect "thing".
Ordinarily I would frown on brilliantly colored tile on the backsplash (because it tends to jump forward), but the overall impression of these tiny mosaics visually recedes, so that's good.
Looks like you used LED (I hope) puck lighting under the cabinets. A good choice for energy efficiency, although the five scallops on the tile are a bit distracting. Fluorescent strip lights, behind a light valance, would have been a bit better choice I think.
The fridge, on the left in shadows, looks like you managed to recess it into the wall behind. Good idea! Floor space in a small kitchen is too precious to waste.
The microwave takes up a bit of your precious counter space. I would have placed it up in the wall cabinets, suspended under one of them. It's in the right location for functionality though.
I love the stainless??? trim at the back of the counter. Very nice.
That dishwasher looks mighty close to the corner. I imagine that was a concern when you were putting the whole thing together.
The next images are the top of the U.
Here's where you broke the rules and qualify for "Kitschy Kitchen" status.
On the left we have our dishwasher. It actually looks like it obstructs the door around the corner...Probably a trick of the camera. I would have recommended a white one to integrate better with the cabinets and not draw the eye to it. I've yet to see a kitchen where it makes sense to make the dishwasher a focal point.
The integrated stainless sink with drainboard is a good idea. But I would have placed it over to the left with the drainboard under the wall cabinets and the sink away from the range. Having the sink bowl right next to the range is not dangerous, but it certainly provides no room for staging prepared food for cooking. Placing the dishwasher on the right of the sink would have also solved the dishwasher in the corner issues. An end panel between the dishwasher and range would then have been necessary to support the counter.
The faucet is great, but over scale for the room.
The six burner range, looks to be 30" or thereabouts, is also overkill for the size of the room. A 24" model would have been more suitable.
The best thing on this wall is the FABULOUS HOOD with the asymmetrical extension.
It's great that you sacrificed upper cabinets in favor of this beauty.
I also love your dishrack and other hanging accessories, as well as the sculptural bowls so lovingly arranged on top of the hood.
The tile going way up the wall is also great. Looks like you have very high ceilings in the kitchen...nice.



Here we see the right leg of the U.
Unfortunately you have a pipe chase obstruction in the corner so you lose valuable counter space next to the range. It does look as though you have enough clearance that it is not unsafe.
Interesting. That tall window tilts open at the top.
Again the cabinets around the corner are shallow depth to provide as much space to the range sink area as possible. I see two tiny drawers there, under the window. Those seem to be the only drawers in the kitchen unless you built some behind the doors. I certainly HOPE you did!
This view is of the opposite wall, I assume.
Here you have created an eating counter and some storage above, neatly obscuring a radiator underneath.
It's also your coffee station.
Not much fun eating facing a wall, but you've made it as cheerful as possible.
Overall I'd say you took lemons and made lemonade (except for the sink next to range issue).
Did you remodel at all to achieve this overall space?
Or is it as it was?
Did you take "before" pictures?
After all the work, if you had it to do over again with unlimited funds; would you do anything different?
Peggy
P.S.
Looks like discussion of MAd's kitchen is getting around the blogs.
MAds has his own:
Post Recontruction. A Tale of Life in Italy
Laurie Burke comments on Kitchen Design Notes.
Fun!
Peggy







WOW! Thanks so much for taking the time to respond!
ReplyDeleteI wanted to get your overall impression before explaining anything about the kitchen and I got just that ! Thanks!!!
The kitchen is 275cm x 290cm (9 ft x 9.5 ft) Its a new room in th house altogether as I moved the kitchen to the front of the house. I live in Italy and space is very limited.
I'll try to answer your questions/respond to your comments in the order you wrote them.
I'm not an architect or designer in anyway. Just got lots of magazines and went to lots of showrooms for ideas. I'm also quite tall and in my last kitchen everything was so low and it bothered me. Now everything is in perfect reaching distance. That was more of a personal choice than a design one.
Both counters (the sink side and the microwave side) are the same depth. I guess the one side just looks shallower in the photos
The countertop is tiled with the structured (rougher) version of the floor tiles which are honed (satin smooth). You cant see them in the photo, but they are a very particular color. I decided to use larger tiles to create a concrete look. Italy is the home of all sorts of interesting tiles.
The mosaics are swimming pool tiles. Very cheap.
The lights under the cabinets are halogen so I can dim them. Since under the cabinets would be high and in view I didnt want florescent because I thought they would look tacky. Plus I hate florescent anything. Just a personal choice.
As for the fridge, its the standard depth of 60 cm (23.6 in) Any deeper than that and you have to special order them. So its not recessed it the same depth as the counters.
I hate the microwave. When I get more money I plan to get maybe a chrome one to blend better.
Yeah stainless steal trim. Found it at Ikea and worked perfectly!
As for the dishwasher it is not in the best place and sometimes rubs against the perpendicular cabinet, but I had to put it next to the sink for connection purposes and I absolutely (even with all new water lines) had to but th sink next to the stove. Engineering thing with water flow, I was told. At first I thought I would hate it, but it has actually been wonderful! Cooking and prep time are so much easier and I have a chopping block that fits perfectly over the sink and use it next to the stove. When Im done I put it away!
Faucet fights with the drying rack, which isnt great. Love it anyway, tough.
The stove is 70 cm (27 inches), but having five burners was a necessity. I opted for the smaller five burner model (as opposed to the 30 inch one)
I think the hood makes the kitchen. I love it!
Ceilings are 10 ft. Gotta love Italy!
The house was built in 1918 and we had to work around all of the pipes and tubes that you wouldnt have in modern buildings. You can see this with the wall you mentioned next to the stove.
Windows tilt open at the top in Italy for air circulation because most houses dont have air conditioning (I'm the only one in my building with it!) Or you can open them normally.
I have pull out drawers behind the lower cabinets. Behind the first are 4 drawers, behind the second is the clothes washer (In Italy we put them in the kitchen or bathroom) and behind the 3rd an angle drawer with pots and pans. The cabinet with less depth under the window keeps the cleaning stuff. Again space is an issue in Italy.
Facing the wall at the bar is no fun, but there is a gigantic floor to ceiling window just behind the stools that you cant see in the photo. Plus, again, space issue.
I didnt take before pictures (could kick myself for that!), but the kitchen is in an entirely new room anyway. As I mentioned, I moved the kitchen to the front of the house.
With unlimited funds I would have actually put the kitchen in another part of the house! But for this one I would have bought (and probably will) those integrated dishwashers so it looks like another lower cabinet, and an integrated microwave to put in an upper cabinet.
Structurally I had my hands tied so I couldnt change anything else even if I wanted to.
Thank you SO SO MUCH for your time and input! Small spaces are never fun to work with, so hope this can help some of your readers!!!
Wow MAds!
ReplyDeleteYour english writing is very good.
Are you Italian or an American?
It's really amazing how a camera foreshortens the view.
The images really look like the counters on both sides are shallower (though European cabinets and appliances are all a bit shallower than their US counterparts).
On the lighting: It surprises me that Italy is not requiring less energy hogging lighting than halogens. Here in California, USA, the wattage would need to be offset by an equal wattage in fluorescent (to save energy).
I never use halogen because of my concern about the heat they generate and fires.
Do you actually ever dim them?
Perhaps you should consider exporting those swimming pool tiles to the US. I think they would sell well here.
Thanks for your query and images.
It was FUN!
And I love small kitchens. They are the biggest challenge of all (except too-big kitchens).
Peggy
I'm American, but a crap typer. I could sound Japanese with my typing skills!
ReplyDeleteMost....well all lights here are halogen. There are fluorescents around but mostly used in bathrooms over the mirror. Also in offices. Not much else.
I dim everything. I'm obsessed with dimmers!
Anyway our houses have a 3 kilowatt max. You can request 6 kilowatt service but your bill will quadruple in taxes and additional service fees. My electric bill is about 50 euro a month and we dont have nuclear energy here so Italians pay the most in Europe for electricity.
To give you perspective 3 kilowatts means you cant run more than one big appliance at a time. If the oven is on, you can watch tv or listen to music but not much else. And dont forget everthing here is half the size of everything in the US. I went home in 2006 and found myself lost in Sears. Everything was SO HUGE. Who needs to wash 23 towels at once? WHO HAS 23 TOWELS TO WASH???? And dryers? We have the good ol' sun and wind. No need to plug that in and add fabric softner!!!!
So we consume so much less than in the US, that for now, no one is worried about a little halogen light!!!
MAds
3 kilowatts a month doesn't sound like much electricity at all!
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised you would squander them on halogen lights when you might be able to run your TV without them.
LEDs are really coming on.
Perhaps you can consider replacing your halogens with LEDs when they attain enough lumens for the wattage to be usable.
Funny. I was going to suggest a little flat screen on the wall at your breakfast bar...But you wouldn't be able to have it ON!
Peggy
Ok LED lighting. It's easy to forget that I know nothing about everything. I just bought what was in the store. I remember seeing LED lighting but they only had like two or three models and not what I was looking for. Now that I get that its better (thanks for beating me over the head with that one!) I'm gonna look into it. I'll probably have to order from out of Italy as until this interaction I had no idea what they were really.
ReplyDeleteThere arent really big chain shops here, lots of small moms and pops establishents. It takes us a while to get things!
MAds
PS its 3 kilowatts to be running at a time. If you go over the power will shut off automatically and you have to flip the circuit switch to turn it back on.
Look in my sidebar CATEGORIES under LEDs for some posts on the topic.
ReplyDeletePeggy